Allow patrons to disable FRBR + disable FRBR in advanced search
Hi
Our patrons run into a lot of problems caused by FRBR.
Please
– Add a checkmark to allow the patrons to disable FRBR per search, no matter if logged in or not.
(like "Include articles without fulltext")
– Make it a parameter in the patron settings
– Disable FRBR as default in advanced search
This could also be used as a feeble workaround for the missing exact search https://ideas.exlibrisgroup.com/forums/308176-primo/suggestions/18579556-add-a-true-exact-search-to-advanced-search-type
Unfortunately this idea will not be included in Primo 2025 roadmap due to other prioritizations. we do think it is a good idea for long term roadmap.
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Manu_Schwendener commented
Thank you for the update, Nili.
I only read "Accepted" first and immediately thought: this will put the NDE ahead of Primo VE right away.
Still glad it will become possible, of course.
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Manu_Schwendener commented
I changed my mind about the naming. As we call FRBR "versions" it would need to be
Split versions
Group versionsor something similar, but also using _versions_.
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I really like what DTU is doing with their display options pulldown menu
https://findit.dtu.dk/en/catalog?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=clever, see screenshotFRBR on/off could just be added here. We already have the pulldown for the number of titles per page.
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Manu_Schwendener commented
NERS 8870 - Advanced search: turn off FRBR for the results
Open for voting now.
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Johanna Bucher commented
Hope this will be implemented!
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Jelena Perrin commented
FRBR Versioning often works poorly for legal documents and regularly leads to problems with customers on a daily basis.
The main problem is that different editions are arbitrarily merged together, leading to confusing searches.
Example:
https://ubbern.swisscovery.slsp.ch/discovery/search?query=any,contains,verbrechenslehre%20strafrecht%20andreas%20donatsch&tab=LibraryCatalog&search_scope=MyInstitution&vid=41SLSP_UBE:UBE&offset=0At the Law Library Bern, University Libraries Bern, we would like versioning to be switched off and only switched on by customers when required.
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Manu_Schwendener commented
Hi
NERS submissions close at the end of this week, and the roadmap will only be presented afterwards. Can somebody from Ex Libris tell me if this is on the roadmap?
Thank you.
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Manu Schwendener commented
Can't wait for this to get solved! :-)
Do you have any idea when this will happen?
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Manu Schwendener commented
Please make the state of the toggle part of the URL, so that we can use it to send precise links and for deep linking.
Thank you :-)
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Manu Schwendener commented
Thank you, Nili, I'm really glad to hear this.
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Manu Schwendener commented
An easy way to achieve this would be:
In advanced search, let the patrons decide before the search (with checkmarks) if they want FRBR and deduplication on or off in the result list.
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Manu Schwendener commented
Seeing that with the August 2023 release, FRBR and deduplication will be deactivated in browse search, gives me hope.
The same should be possible for advanced search.
Ideally with parameters:
- setting per view
- separate settings for FRBR and deduplication
- library decides default
- patrons can override the default settings in their account -
Manu Schwendener commented
> having experienced quite a lot of difficulties both with DeDup and FRBR ...
I agree, also Deduplication on/off should be a setting the patrons can decide.
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Manu Schwendener commented
While I still think
- after advanced search, FRBR should always be deactivated
- the patrons should be able to switch FRBR offthe biggest part of the problem is solved in Primo VE with 'equals exact phrase', since May 2023.
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Manu Schwendener commented
> patron would mistakenly believe that only one match exists
Yes, this is why FRBR Preferred is not the solution.
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Thank you for the example, Nancy!
> If the FRBR settings could be easy user-controlled toggles (like "Expand My
> Results" and "Search in Full Text", this would be a great solution.Yes. The order of those three should be customizable, and the setting for FRBR on/off should be done with the same flexibility as "Search in full text" (which comes with the May 2022 release).
Ideally, the settings could also be saved as preferences in the patron's account, but that could come later.
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Nancy Babb commented
Re: FRBR Preferred allowing patrons to get to the title they are looking for with only a few clicks --
Just a quick caveat that this works if there is only a single title that matches the patron's search criteria, but any 2nd, 3rd, etc. matching work would still be lost in the FRBR group. And I worry in that case that the patron would mistakenly believe that only one match exists. -
Nancy Babb commented
I've been interested to find some examples of discovery tools that put FRBR options in the hands of the end user. For example, WorldCat Discovery has "Group this search" settings, with option to enable/disable "Group related editions" and "Group variant records." Here's an example and screenshot from my university: https://buffalo.on.worldcat.org/search?queryString=iliad%20lattimore&clusterResults=true&groupVariantRecords=false&changedFacet=scope&scope=sz%3A36346
It would be so exciting and helpful to our researchers if similar controls could be provided in Primo, for the FRBR settings!
In one of our Sandbox test views, I've added an External Search option to "Search without grouping," which sends the terms searched into a near-duplicate view with FRBR suppressed (https://suny-buf-psb.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/search?query=any,contains,hamlet%20olivier&tab=LibraryCatalog&search_scope=MyInstitution&vid=01SUNY_BUF:catalog&lang=en&offset=0) -- but this is not a good solution because it requires the campus to maintain a separate view. But if the FRBR settings could be easy user-controlled toggles (like "Expand My Results" and "Search in Full Text", this would be a great solution. -
Manu Schwendener commented
In the meantime I learned from Nili Natan that (in Primo VE) the setting
FRBR Preferred
is more practical for the patrons than
FRBR GenericIt allows them to get to the title they are looking for with only a few clicks, with just the _option_ to see the whole FRBR group.
Edit: this is a workaround. The real problem is that with Generic, in the resulting list of FRBR versions, the HIGHEST RANKED record from the results set is NOT shown as the first title.
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The wish that the patrons should be able to deactivate FRBR and that FRBR should be deactivated after any Advanced search still stands.
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Manu Schwendener commented
NERS 7227, open for voting now.
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Manu Schwendener commented
> I wonder how to ... name
For FRBR I think "Turn off grouping" would be understandable.
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Katharina Wolkwitz commented
Hi,
having experienced quite a lot of difficulties both with DeDup and FRBR since we've changed over to Primo last summer, I'd really like the option to have a button to switch both or either on or off "online" like any other facet.
That being said, I wonder how to promote, explain and name-tag such buttons for my colleagues and users, so they could understand what they'd do?
I wonder what impact such "buttons" would have on retrieval times?