Visualization of Analytical Bibliographic Data in PrimoVE.: Correct Sorting of Parts
A multi-part resource (eg: a sketchbook containing 200 drawings) is catalogued in MARC 773 (host/item relationship). PrimoVE ought to sort and display the component parts using $$g and $$q. Currently PrimoVE fails to do this in the correct numerical order. Rather, the presentation is alphabetical which is useless for component-items organized by their part or page number. There was a recent ideas exchange issue raised on this very topic, which was “solved” by providing the aforementioned “alphabetical solution”. However, a NUMERICAL visualization has much more value in Discovery for patrons who are interested in locating an item as part of a host (the drawing on page number 12 of a sketch book, for example). This is a frequent and conventional library requirement for example in Special Collections communities, as it reflects accurately the sequential order within an actual work or a manifestation.
Currently (SEE SCREENSHOT BELOW) the user sees this rather wild presentation in PrimoVE (the resource is the sketch-book of 200 drawings cited above).
Another example from the world of monographs is a collection of Brecht’s works: currently looking like this in PrimoVE:
https://basel.swisscovery.org/permalink/41SLSP_UBS/1hbnn2v/alma993707790105504
The publisher’s website displays the correct sequence:
I do not consider this request an “enhancement” feature, rather a basic library requirement, dating back to the traditional card-catalogue-era.
Many thanks.
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Alice Robinson commented
Thank you to Clarivate for the chance to discuss this problem today. I have contacted the metadata experts in my institution who specialise in cataloguing with Alma, requesting clear examples which demonstrate the problem in various ressource types. I will post these as and when I receive them.
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Manu_Schwendener commented
I'll go collect more examples, for now here's the list of fields for which this change should be made. Others please add if something is missing.
MARC 21:
773 for analytica
- my example from July 12, 2024 on this page
https://basel.swisscovery.org/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=41SLSP_UBS:live&search_scope=UBS&tab=UBS&docid=alma9972771758805504&lang=en&context=L
- Alice Robinson's example from April 2, 2022 in the older idea exchange entry
https://uzb.swisscovery.slsp.ch/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=41SLSP_UZB:UZB&docid=alma990047977300205508&lang=en&context=L800 when the parent title has an author in field 100
- the Brecht example in post 1
https://basel.swisscovery.org/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=41SLSP_UBS:live&search_scope=UBS&tab=UBS&docid=alma993707790105504&lang=en&context=L&isFrbr=true810 when the parent title has a corporate name as author in field 110
811 when the parent title has a congress name as author in field 111
830 when the parent title doesn't have a 1xx field. This is the most common case = Series
Example https://basel.swisscovery.org/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=41SLSP_UBS:live&tab=UBS&docid=alma991036390105504&context=L---
From the older thread (https://ideas.exlibrisgroup.com/forums/308176-primo/suggestions/42926031-number-and-sort-the-volumes-in-multi-volume-works), posted May 28, 2024:
CNMARC field 200 subfield $h
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Mathias Kratzer commented
Dear Alice,
Since we also agreed that the issues perfectly described by you are rather bugs in the sense of lacking basic functionality than some problems that suggest an enhancement subject to community voting we submitted a meanwhile already escalated case (reference for Primo Product Management: #07188268) for them. As of Sep 24, 2024 Ex Libris told us:
"Unfortunately, after additional examination and prioritization, we have decided that a fix for this issue will not be part of our current development work plan."
In response to that we pointed our support analyst to both Manuela's earlier and this idea and hopefully made clear that the community obviously feels an urgent need for "a fix for this issue".Hope this helps
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Manu_Schwendener commented
Here's another exmple
https://basel.swisscovery.org/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=41SLSP_UBS:live&search_scope=UBS&tab=UBS&docid=alma9972771758805504&lang=en&context=LHow it looks:
Related titles
Units : Construction
Units : Decoration
Units : Fashion
Units : Interiors
Units : Resources
Units : The plant-based issue[as long as it's alphabetical, "The" should not be used for sorting]
How it should look:
yr: 2021, no: 4 The plant-based issue
yr: 2021, no: 5 Decoration
yr: 2022, no: 6 Resources
yr: 2022, no: 7 Construction
yr: 2023, no: 8 Fashion
yr: 2023, no: 9 InteriorsOr:
No. 4 (2021) The plant-based issue
No. 5 (2021) Decoration
No. 6 (2022) Resources
No. 7 (2022) Construction
No. 8 (2023) Fashion
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Manu_Schwendener commented
NERS 8869, open for voting now.
Rephrased for better understanding:
Related titles in Primo VE bib display: sort by enumeration
When records have bib-to-bib relationships via 76X-78X and 8XX, the list of related titles is displayed in the Details section of the series/host record. The list is currently sorted alphabetically by the title of the related bib.
Instead, we would like to be able to configure Alma so that Related Titles are sorted logically by sequence or volume.For example, the current display is:
Analyzed Title A vol. 3
Analyzed Title B vol. 1
Analyzed Title C vol. 2.We would like this sorted by volume instead:
Analyzed Title B vol. 1
Analyzed Title C vol. 2
Analyzed Title A vol. 3When related via field 773, titles should be sorted by $q (enumeration).
For all other related fields 76X-78X, titles should be sorted by $g (related parts).
8XX fields should be sorted by $v (volume/sequence).How it looks at the moment:
https://basel.swisscovery.org/discovery/fulldisplay?vid=41SLSP_UBS:live&search_scope=UBS&tab=UBS&docid=alma993707790105504&lang=en&context=LHow it should be looking:
https://www.suhrkamp.de/werkausgabe/bertolt-brecht-werke-grosse-kommentierte-berliner-und-frankfurter-ausgabe-30-baende-in-32-teilbaenden-und-ein-registerband-leinen-w-17 -
Manu Schwendener commented
NERS 8160, open for voting now.
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Jesse Kruppa (UCR) commented
As library staff and a patron, when I sort volumes I expect volume 9 to sort before volumes 12, 23, 38, 85, and 91.
Primo needs a better volume sort. Alphanumeric sorting does not play nicely with numbers. When numbers are stored and sorted as text, 12 will come before 3 because the sort is looking at the first character, not the whole value.
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Alice Robinson commented
Thanks to everyone who has voted here: please pass the word around for further support. Very gratefully yours, Alice
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Manu Schwendener commented
> basic requirement
I completely agree.
The only reason that I didn't post this as a NERS entry this year is that I never would have expected Ex Libris to consider https://ideas.exlibrisgroup.com/forums/308176-primo/suggestions/42926031-number-and-sort-the-volumes-in-multi-volume-works as completed with alphabetical sorting.
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Alice Robinson commented
Nota bene: This problem is not confined to analytical bibliographic data (MARC 773): it would appear to be a "bigger" sorting issue with PrimoVE as demonstrated in the Brecht example.
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Andrea Leslie commented
Couldn't agree more!
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Alice Robinson commented
This was the first attempt at this request: