Improve the Cite them Right Harvard CSL file to correct errors
Cite them Right Harvard does not display correctly. I have a 2 page list of errors! e.g. Surname, First name, when it should be Surname, initial. In journals the publisher appears.
Please work with Cite them Right Online to fix this as it is used by multiple libraries in the UK.
I don't think there is anything stopping anyone from submitting a pull request to the CSL GitHub repo - it would have to be approved and merged by the CSL community maintainers of course. I just don't know how receptive they would be to someone outside the community requesting changes.
RefWorks seems to offer both their own Harvard Cite them Right style and the CSL version - they produce different results for the same item in RefWorks (e.g. the publisher details for journal articles) so I think that points to an issue in the CSL file. I also examined the file using their Visual Editor, and confirmed that it is set to display this publisher info (conditional excludes have been set for other item types, but not journal articles).
As I said, I'm no expert in referencing, so I may be misinterpreting some things, but I guess we'll see what progress we make through Ex Libris first (and by we I mean you!) and then see if we actually need to correct the CSL file.
CSL files can only be editied by the CSL community, so nothing we can change that.
My understanding was the CSL file was correctly producing no publisher journal records (I was sent an example) and it's Primo which has been getting confused.
One fix is Primo now does initials, not first name.
I did spend a little time looking at the CSL style, and it does look like there are some issues with it where it doesn't match up with the official Cite them Right guidance.
The issue that cropped up for us was the display of publisher information for journal articles. Cite them Right claims this should not be included, but the CSL file is set to display it, so there are definitely some issues with the source file.
I'm no expert on referencing, so just going on issues passed to me from colleagues, but I'm curious how many of the problems lie with the CSL file, and how many are to do with the way Primo is interpreting the style.
Thanks again for pursuing this with Ex Libris.
Progress is being made on this. The CSL file is fine, its how Primo interprets the info which is the issue. I am due a webinar update soon.
If Ex Libris won't use the RefWorks style, does anyone think there is any mileage in trying to get the CSL file corrected and updated?
Adam - I'm curious about the response you got from the CSL file maintainer; did they imply that they were not open to changes and corrections?
In other words, if we made the corrections to the Harvard Cite them Right CSL file and submitted a pull request would it jst be a waste of time? We would love a working citation style too, so I would happy to work with others to try and correct the CSL file.
Just had an email from the person who owns the Cite them Right Harvard CSL file who says it works fine. The fault is with how Primo is using it. The problem has been referred to the second tier support team who ever they are to fix. Will keep people posted on this.
Really dissapointing. Please can the Primo team and the RefWorks team talk to each other and share their best practice to provide a quality customer solution?
James F Stephens commented
The 'harvard-cite-them-right' CSL style in Github is full of errors. The non-CSL 'Harvard cite them right' style in RefWorks is good. ExLibris have just confirmed to me that the Primo team have no plans to use RefWorks styles in Primo. This is a disappointing lack of synchronicity.
Agree Primo using the non-CSL file from RefWorks would be an immediate massive quick win for Primo. Please can this be done for this academic year?
We would really welcome this update as since installing Primo VE we can now tailor the citation styles to those we use most. But the current CTR is awful.
Citation styles in Primo
We have had confirmation from exlibris that:
There are two Harvard Cite Them Right Citation styles in RefWorks:
1. The one marked as a CSL style is from the CSL github: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/harvard-cite-them-right.csl
2. The non-CSL style is created by the RefWorks team based on the style book
Unfortunately it is the CSL one in Primo. The quickest option would be for them to use the Refworks created version, which is far better, in Primo.